Contiguous Physical Memory from Userspace

Contiguous physical memory from userspace

No. There is not. You do need to do this from Kernel space.

If you say "we need to do this from User Space" - without anything going on in kernel-space it makes little sense - because a user space program has no way of controlling or even knowing if the underlying memory is contiguous or not.

The only reason where you would need to do this - is if you were working in-conjunction with a piece of hardware, or some other low-level (i.e. Kernel) service that needed this requirement. So again, you would have to deal with it at that level.

So the answer isn't just "you can't" - but "you should never need to".

I have written such memory managers that do allow me to do this - but it was always because of some underlying issue at the kernel level, which had to be addressed at the kernel level. Generally because some other agent on the bus (PCI card, BIOS or even another computer over RDMA interface) had the physical contiguous memory requirement. Again, all of this had to be addressed in kernel space.

When you talk about "cache lines" - you don't need to worry. You can be assured that each page of your user-space memory is contiguous, and each page is much larger than a cache-line (no matter what architecture you're talking about).

Can we allocate physically contiguous memory by mmap()?

You have very little control over physical memory locations. Within a page, the memory will be contiguous (it's more or less the definition of a page). But different pages that are contiguous in virtual address space need not be contiguous in the physical address space (and pages that are contiguous in the physical address space need not be contiguous in the virtual address space).

Unless you are going to be working in the lowest levels of the kernel memory management, you're not going to be able to spot physical contiguity in a hurry.

If the memory is dual-ported between Linux and something else, then you may have issues, but simply using mmap() won't resolve them.

Is stack memory contiguous physically in Linux?

As far as I can see, stack memory is contiguous in virtual memory
address, but stack memory is also contiguous physically? And does this
have something to do with the stack size limit?

No, stack memory is not necessarily contiguous in the physical address space. It's not related to the stack size limit. It's related to how the OS manages memory. The OS only allocates a physical page when the corresponding virtual page is accessed for the first time (or for the first time since it got paged out to the disk). This is called demand-paging, and it helps conserve memory usage.

why do we think that stack memory is always quicker
than heap memory? If it's not physically contiguous, how can stack
take more advantage of cache?

It has nothing to do with the cache. It's just faster to allocate and deallocate memory from the stack than the heap. That's because allocating and deallocating from the stack takes only a single instruction (incrementing or decrementing the stack pointer). On the other hand, there is a lot more work involved into allocating and/or deallocating memory from the heap. See this article for more information.

Now once memory allocated (from the heap or stack), the time it takes to access that allocated memory region does not depend on whether it's stack or heap memory. It depends on the memory access behavior and whether it's friendly to the cache and memory architecture.

if we want to sort a large amount of numbers, using array to store the
numbers is better than using a list, because every list node may be
constructed by malloc, so it may not take good advantage of cache,
that's why I say stack memory is quicker than heap memory.

Using an array is faster not because arrays are allocated from the stack. Arrays can be allocated from any memory (stack, heap, or anywhere). It's faster because arrays are usually accessed contiguously one element at a time. When the first element is accessed, a whole cache line that contains the element and other elements is fetched from memory to the L1 cache. So accessing the other elements in that cache line can be done very efficiently, but accessing the first element in the cache line is still slow (unless the cache line was prefetched). This is the key part: since cache lines are 64-byte aligned and both virtual and physical pages are 64-byte aligned as well, then it's guaranteed that any cache line fully resides within a single virtual page and a single physical page. This what makes fetching cache lines efficient. Again, all of this has nothing to do with whether the array was allocated from the stack or heap. It holds true either way.

On the other hand, since the elements of a linked list are typically not contiguous (not even in the virtual address space), then a cache line that contains an element may not contain any other elements. So fetching every single element can be more expensive.



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